Comments on: Cameron for PM

by: Poosh

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:20:18 +0000

Well, I appear to be standing corrected!

by: driverchris

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:19:30 +0000

If only the the enemy was ‘leftist Labour’.

I wish they were left-wing personally, we both dislike the current government but for different reasons.

I resent the fact that they are now about as Socialist as the Conservative party circa 1982.

Hmmmm, should I vote for the red puppet or the blue puppet?

by: lascivious

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:06:11 +0000

Poosh - alas, in the 2003 Scottish Parliament elections, even with proportional representation (allbeit in a rather dirty form), the Scottish Tory’s only managed 18 seats out of 129. They received 14% of the vote. Compare that to more than a quarter of Scots voting for the left-leaning nationalist parties (there are two, one of which is verging on communism and received nearly 5% of the vote). Then there are the Lab/Libs which make up the rest. In total, Scotland has 5/6 of their ‘politicians’ on the left, even with PR!

I don’t think the Conservatives will be getting many votes in Scotland in the next election, even with Boy Wonder leading the way.

by: Poosh

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:02:04 +0000

I would make a point that if disgusting PR was the case in Scotland, the Conservatives would garner a great deal of seats - so I’m not too sure that Scottish values are that different from England.

by: Poosh

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:58:56 +0000

Don’t you mean “values of the British” ?

by: Gary Monro

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:11:02 +0000

Unfortunately, some of the good in our society is no longer there to be conserved. It needs to be rediscovered. Backing the government as a tactic is no good. Backing it when it does the right thing is fine but our overall message has to be that Labour is intrinsically bad and we’re intrinsically different otherwise why will people vote for us?

Whether DC has hijacked environmentalism as a tactic or embraced it sincerely is unknown I think. Either way, it does hurt the left’s ridiculous - but skillfully cultivated - image as the only one who ‘cares’.

I think we may have to start questioning whether English values and Scottish values are the same. England is joined to a territory which, if it wasn’t for the financial benefits of the union, would happily disengage from us. England at heart is conservative; Scotland - and Wales - I wonder about.

Thing is, we only have hope and optimism to go on at the moment. We’re now in a waiting pattern but certainly Party members have got to put their backs into the task ahead. Remove Labour and then work on the nature and shape of the Conservative administration. The more conservative we are (that is NOT a shift to the right, by the way), the more in keeping with the natural instincts of the people we’ll be.

by: David Vance

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:54:36 +0000

Well now - guess I’m going to be the spectre at the feast!

First, I wish that the optimism of all my Conservative friends is proven correct and that Nulabour is swept from power.

However, I don’t buy into the Cameron agenda one jot. His current environ-mentalist dabbling with the likes of anti-American Gummer and Goldsmith sickens me. I think he will move to the LEFT of Blair, and despite all the nonsense spoken in the media, Blair is a leftist.

So I guess I will judge DC by his words and actions - but I fear I will be in a small camp of those who seek a principled right of centre party in power that will take on the Welfare State, stand resolutely against terrorism, take the axe to the EU, put the Great back into Great Britain & NI.

by: Tory Convert

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:41:25 +0000

“rooted-in-reality traditions and values of England and the English”

Hi Gary. Don’t forget that we need to make gains in Scotland and Wales to win the next election.

by: James (Whatsthatsmell)

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:37:49 +0000

I have to admit as a “Blogger for Davis”, I have so far been pleasantly surprised by Cameron, and I really can’t believe I’m saying it; still early days and all, but his hijacking of environmentalism is spot on…

by: DE

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:59:56 +0000

You may be in danger of missing the message while staring at the style.

“We must direct our fire ferociously against a government that represents nothing that is decent or good in England.. ”

Its exactly that approach which Cameron is openly challenging. If the Conservatives actually stop attempting to hack the government, Labour will probably rip itself apart. By supporting the Prime Minister, Blair will become isolated from the rump unionist Left of his own party.

by: Thersites

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:18:42 +0000

Gary:
I think you and I both agree that it comes down to ideology, policy and pragmatism. Cameron’s Shadow Cabinet looks to be a good choice in that he has MPs who have some very good Conservative ideas yet at the same time drawing a line under Thatcherism, however I think it would be a mistake to run a significant Kitchen Cabinet in parallel with his formal Cabinet. What is required now is for Cameron to find his feet and develop policy relevant for the 21st Century, conserving the good within our society and changing the bad.