The subject is now becoming more prominent in the mass media following the arrest of Irving in Austria and now Mel Gibson is in the sites of the High Priests of “Truth”.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17498008%255E2702,00.html

Is Mel Gibson another “dangerous madman”?

How can Gary and lascivious sustain a belief in the “gassing” thesis but not be able to name one single established victim.

This article refers to the monitoring of the German treatment of prisoners and dismisses the “gassing” claims as bunk.
It was written before the political myth took control of the perception now described as the “Holocaust” and protected by the “law”.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=2735

Do you support the incarceration of those who wish to draw attention to these historical questions?

Revisionist writers are certainly under attack at present. David Irving is one of several recent arrests.

Revisionist Historian, David Irving, is added to a growing list of imprisoned writers who dare discuss what the archives reveal despite the almost universal religious acceptance of the Hollywood created atrocity exaggerations.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/index.html

The truth about World War 2 and “Holocaust” claims lie at the very centre of perceived comprehension of our time.

The lives of billions are effected and will have their futures directed by the victorious “reality”.

Gary, is your politics just a self serving game?

Politics should be the determined search for truth and striving to release the generous and abundant realities of creation for the just benefit of all.

Gary, as an aspirant to public position you surely do not have the luxury of indifference.

For the purpose of this discussion I’m not saying the holocaust happened or did not happen. You’re attempting to place the onus of proof on me while it is you who is actually making the claims.

I’m trying to find out who the people were who created this worldwide myth, forged all the supporting documentation and convinced all the witnesses - including those who claimed to be an actual part of the extermination - to lie.

When the opportunity arises I may very well investigate both sides of the holocaust story as I am pretty ignorant of the facts of the case generally. But when I come to the part where I try to see the case for it being a lie created to achieve some other end then I think I would be wasting my time asking you to help me identify the people behind the lie - or, indeed, to present any evidence that they even exist. For all your claims of investigative purity I do feel compelled to wonder how you accept the ‘fact’ of an incredible lie without being especially bothered by the fact that you have no evidence even of the liar.

Let’s agree to differ and close this one. Feel free to have the last word.

Criminals and shysters do not make a habit of keeping minutes for the public to peruse.

Gary, it is hardly ingenious to continue to make me the issue instead of the facts.

I have presented a number of references that set out various frauds which clearly involve the individuals responsible directly and many others by implication.

You, as usual avoid any detailed discussion, happy to just pretend the material was not referenced and accuse me of not presenting a case when in fact I have done so.

Within the material I referenced are dozens of disturbing questions raised by the comparison of the factual record with the Hollywood legend.

Gary, one intrigue of my research was to discover that the Manly immigration camp in Sydney had gassing chambers for new arrivals.

The historical record of this facility reads identical to the Auschwitz and Dachau documents.

Disease control was a major issue requiring large resources. As with Manly, Auschwitz and Dachau the archives are full of the evidence of what was planned and carried out.

It is not me that that needs to answer questions, it is the creators and propagators of the lies.

In my experience very few have the courage to find answers to the questions that are clearly posed in the references I pointed towards.

The subject is indeed vast and complex.

Tricky frauds and truck loads of devious hype and deliberate propaganda have been, and continue to be, employed in similar fashion and by similar criminals as the war promoters at this time.

Gary, perhaps you could extend yourself and tender one piece of genuine evidence that supports the extermination thesis.

Once again Gary, this is your conspiracy theory and many have been convicted and executed.

I simply say, present the proof or address the lie.

I like to get to the nub of Mr Brooks’ point of view. I fail every single time and this time is no exception. I still do not know who, what or why about the creators of the alleged holocaust myth and I think it’s because Mr Brooks doesn’t either. I want to force him to tell me who these people are or else admit that he really has no idea but he does neither.

So now I’ve given up and he will say it’s because I’m brainwashed and lazy and all the rest of it but really it’s because I just can’t get a straight, unambiguous answer.

The issue is not me it is the hundreds of tonnes of evidence that contradict the legend and the total lack of any real evidence to support the “gassing” myth.

One thing is glaringly obvious, not a single proven victim of “gassing” has been offered yet we are to believe there were millions killed in an industrial fashion.
The discussions on this blog certainly demonstrate the denial of troubling contradictions and absurdities in favour of believing the mass media that has a clear documented record of dishing up lies day in day out.

The same blind logic has been employed here by commentators to analyse “terrorism.

The value in comprehending and studying the Holohoax dimensions is to be confronted with just how clever propaganda really can be, and how powerful the enemies of truth have become.

This Christopher Brooks guy is either barking mad or a Jew-hater or probably both. Why bother humouring him with responses?

www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres5/harwoodeng.pdf

http://www.vho.org/tr/2000/2/tr02evidence.html

http://www.vho.org/tr/2000/4/gcairphoto.html

http://www.remember.org/7/chamber-dachau-gas.html

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p187_Faurisson.html

http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04g_gas.html

Hollywood movies, TV epics and novels by the dozens hundreds if not thousands tell all manner of tales but the there is no factual basis to the “gassing” legend except the propaganda material of allied psychopolitical campaigns and Zionist promoters.

The “execution gas chambers” and the “death camp” themes are complete mythology unless you see it in terms of the disease epidemics and supply shortage as the war came to a close.

This reality was a horrible tragedy but not a German extermination program.

There certainly was an immigration policy to move “Jews” from Germany. Millions did leave Germany throughout the thirties and during the war. They mostly claim “Holocaust Survivor” status which is tenuous when all the facts are considered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

If nothing I am patient.

The whole official story depends on accepting that the “gassing” was done in secrecy.

There is no evidence of the time in all the documents, plans, budgets, private correspondence, military monitoring of German communications {extensive at Auschwitz as the codes had been broken before the war, Red Cross reports, etc etc etc, that evidences “gassing”.

The “witness gassing ” stories are in fact very rare, invented much later, and are quite frankly laughable when cross examined.

You should read the Canadian Zundel trial transcripts to see just what a joke several of these stories turned out to be when under scrutiny. It is rare that they are scrutinised because the whole phenomena has wrapped itself in a sacred blanket of religious character.

The record that is consistent with my view is the hundreds of tonnes of archives in the US , Britain, Germany, and Russia that document the events of the day during the period.

These records are mostly very complete and there is no mention of the extermination by “gassing”.

In all the correspondence to families and friends outside Auschwitz, inmates never claimed any such thing was happening.

Even today few people actually tell the “gassing” story. Most just talk of loosing touch with relatives. We simply are left to imagine a “gassing” fate.
I have no doubt that most of these inmates of work camps now believe that some how this horror was happening and it was kept from them. The German people have to a lesser degree also come to accept that evil was happening out of their view.
This is the power of propaganda.
It is still incredulous to me that this can be achieved and I have engaged the issue for over twenty years at many political levels.

This subject is in my view the one study that unlocks the political reality of the world.

My children learn about it regularly. At school they would get a diet of lies as I did.

If more do not unlock and act upon this political reality the 60 million who perished in the 2nd world war will seem like a minor skirmish
compared with what is to be unleashed upon humanity to protect these lies and the power behind them.
Bin laden is just another hoax brand to sell the Muslim conspiracy theory which in fact does not have any reality beyond the organisation and manipulations of the western intelligence apparatus.
Manufactured Nightmares are essential to advance the policy of Monopoly.

Regularly now we hear of people being reunited with family that they lost touch with during the wartime chaos.

Clearly as the record indicates many did die from disease and hunger in the final chaos of the retreating German lines and the Allied strangulation of all supplies.

Often the inmates of the work camps were given the option of staying and accepting Russian rule or facing the arduous march forward to the next German held camp. Huge moving populations of hungry and diseased swamped already stressed camps. The newsreels show the tragic results.

I accept my point of view seems incredulous but it is simply based upon the facts.

Do some research and see if you can find the genuine evidence to validate the “gassing” atrocity stories.

The trail will be identical in character to the Blair WMD fiasco, the same type of characters and groups are responsible, the strategies and methods of deception are as old as time itself.

The human mind is very vulnerable to very bold gigantic lies, where small fibs get exposed.

Most people just can not comprehend that;

# they could be fooled on such a big issue
# anyone could be so dishonest to attempt
such a staggering deception
# that the media and information is so
subtly manipulated to achieve this end
# that someone would have already told them
if the claim I make is true.

All these issues are given comprehension once you consider how fear and peer pressure have rendered criticism of any “Jewish” issue as racist. This is a clever ruse and it works.

The Historians who examine the archives and reveal the facts are branded non persons and then pompously there views are ignored as if they are a plague. This is all just tricky control of the public.

David Irving is certainly a rascal but his research is beyond dispute. To make ridiculous assertions that he is a Nazi or similar nonsense just avoids dealing with the facts.

Irving was the darling of British society until his research of Hitler revealed not a single document of the “gassing” policy.

Testimony to the propaganda power, Irving initially reviewed his writings claiming the “Final Solution” must have been instigated by lower levels of command without Hitler’s knowledge.

Irving opened a file for every day of Hitler’s life during the war period and entered every known document to draw his conclusions.

There are literally tonnes and tonnes of documents that survived the war in archives that detail to the point of boredom every move and decision of the German Government just as today you could find the record of your government going about it’s business.
In fact the Germans were extreme when it came to documenting and recording the bureaucratic wheels turning.

Irving dramatically altered his view after reading and considering the Leuchter Report which did chemical analysis and technical analysis of the “gassing” claims under request from Ernst Zundel who was preparing for his first “Holocaust” trial in the early eighties.
Irving appeared as a witness at this trial.
It was the Leuchter research that prompted Irving to respond by challenging those who promote the “gassing” legend to prove their case. Irving has been attacked by the establishment ever since and smeared as a “Nazi”.

I know my comments are very much a narrative but the issues are all discussed at length on the Web where the arguments and evidence can be weighed and sifted.

Naturally the “lunatic Nazi” presence is to be found but deep study will reveal who organises these essential pieces of the jigsaw also.

Propaganda is the filthiest activity of humans and responsible for the greatest crimes.

Again you fail to address Gary’s question of how do those millions and millions keep this a secret from everyone else (and apparently from each other)? Who is in charge of it.

And if what you say is true how come one of the conspirators has not broken ranks and spilled the beans? A story like that with proof would be worth a fortune.

Where is the testimony from people who have actually been in those camps that are consistent with your explanation?

How come anyone who was actually there confirms the “lies”?

as he backs out the door of the “gassing” controversy.

Gary, clearly the liars and those who unconsciously spread the lies are the millions upon millions of Holocaust “gassing” story promoters, hardly rocket science.

Search “Teaching the Holocaust”.

Who invented the lie?

It’s all in the transcripts of the post war trials. The first big “atrocity” stories came out of the propaganda machines of the Allied war effort and occasionally made it into the press at the time.

Six Million “gassing” propaganda was employed during the first World War.

The Butz, Hoax of the 20th Century, investigation has a whole chapter on the early “stories” that began the WW2 myths and the various individuals. Butz is highly detailed and meticulous. His book was published decades ago and still stands uncontested, simply unread by most.

Gary I do not seek to be confrontational and challenging without cause.

I cannot do research for you. I did all the research 20 + years ago and have the library and vast files to show for it.

I guess it is unlikely you will take the trouble to investigate the subject despite the spark of contradictions I have presented.

You have to live with your decision. My responsibility as an individual who has done the intensive study of the subject is draw attention to the misinformation and lies when I come across them. The foundation issue is not me or the probability or incredulous nature of the scam.

The issue is what is the truth.

It is the search for truth that reveals the liars
and their invention, complicity or ignorence.

If you are genuine you will search for the truth.

Information and propaganda are deliberately a tangled mess therefor it is hard work.

The Butz book is banned in a number of European countries and if you get caught with it in your luggage by customs life gets very interesting.

Of course there is nothing to be alarmed about in book banning policies!

I am not denying or supporting claims of a holocaust here and, I must say, your somewhat condescending comments are starting to grate.

What I am trying to ascertain is whether the source of this enormous lie has been identified - names, perhaps - and if there is any evidence at all of a concerted, deliberate and planned conspiracy to convince the world that so many millions perished.

That there are people who like to play the victim, to manipulate, exaggerate and just plain lie is not news. That the whole holocaust story is a lie is news if the perpetrators of the lie are identified.

I’ll ask about their motives once we’ve identified the liars.

I admit it is a challenge to untangle your mind from the propaganda. Genuine effort is required.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

http://pubweb.northwestern.edu/~abutz/

http://www.vho.org/

http://www.codoh.com/

I do not deny the “Holocaust” never happened as you suggest because I do not believe the term is valid in an historical discussion. The term belongs in the study of propaganda.

I have claimed the evidence supports the reality that the “gassing” atrocity stories of Auschwitz and elsewhere are a fraud.

There is no evidence, documentary or “survivor” testimony that has ever stood up to scrutiny under analysis or cross examination.

In fact many frauds and fraudsters have been exposed beyond any question. This is a fact beyond any dispute.

The two fraudulent literary works that I have referenced give you a cast of responsible parties including publishers, researchers, journalists, fellow authors and of course the whole public who fail in their standards of research and truth.

Gary, you are a party to the conspiracy because you can read and think and aspire to governance over your community but demonstrate a blind logic that ignores critical issues and information that should motivate urgent research.

You are certainly correct in you suggestion of the gravity and scale of the Auschwitz deceptions and lies.

You continue to avoid the questions and encourage distraction.

I would never pretend to know the exact motivation of any other, it is only by the study of the documented record that we can discover and judge what really happened.

I and many others have attempted to discover why the claims made and published are not supported by the factual record. You might be surprised to know Gary, I never get an answer.

It is against the law to publicly ask the question Gary.

Just because the factual record and the Hollywood mythology are dramatic contrasts, just because the deception is of enormous magnitude and breadth, just because the scale of this delusion is almost beyond belief in it’s boldness, none of these observations add to or detract from the adjudication of the facts.

There is no evidence that “gassing” ever occurred.

Yes Gary, It is very difficult to accept that you could be fooled along with most of the population.

Tragically, this is indeed the case.

I am not suggesting you might be totally convinced by anything I might write or claim.

I, like yourself was bewildered when first presented with these claims. I studied many novels at school on the “Holocaust” theme.

I admit until I began my research I had not even noticed that we had regularly had “Holocaust” themes in Expression and Literature subjects all through my senior years at school.

I spent many months reading revisionist texts and then rereading the “Holocaust” texts.

I was dumbfounded just as you demonstrate in your comments that a deception of this magnitude could be possible.

The point is Gary, if you take the time to seriously examine the “gas chamber” question the answers will gradually unfold towards an understanding of how it has come to be.

The human mind is in fact manipulated in subtle ways that you have not yet discovered.

The discovery is awaiting all who have a genuine tenacious love of the search for truth.

I have no pretensions that I have the writing skills or logical ability to confront a life time of steady propaganda lies, if only I did.
My best hope is to light a spark in the darkness so you might find a new direction of thought and lead yourself to the light.

I know I am grateful that I was given a spark at a young age.

I sometimes ponder how I would react at 43 years of age if confronted with the knowledge I present to others.

I shudder that I might have lived so long believing in such utter outright nonsense as the “shortage” of money and these psychopolitical
“gassing” lies.

Why waste the rest of your life believing in fantasy Gary.

The truth is the greatest adventure a man can experience, though not without some hardship.

They are succeeded by the La-Li-Lu-Lay-Lo, also known as the Patriots. All that is known about them is that they have DEEP roots in the White House and control everything with absolutely NO evidence of their existence. Absence of proof is proof of presence. I mean, if they really weren’t there, there would be at least SOME evidence that they are there, you see? You must refute my evidence, I do not get distracted!

I hear it’s amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!