Blair’s strongly worded - almost admirable - statement on Iran yesterday may actually have been one of his ‘this’ll sound good so I’ll say it’ moments, designed to detract from the fact that his presidency of the EU has produced nothing and is another area of disappointment for his desire for a legacy. Either way, it was appropriate to the situation caused by the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad’s remarks:
“As the Imam [the late Ayatollah Khomeini] said, ‘Israel must be wiped off the map’ … The Islamic world will not let its historic enemy live in its heartland.”
Mr Blair responded:
“These sentiments are completely and totally unacceptable. I have never come across a situation where the president of a country says they want to wipe out another country - this is not acceptable. Their attitude towards terrorism, towards the nuclear weapons and towards Israel is not acceptable.
“If they continue down this path, people are going to believe that they are a real threat to our world security and stability.”
“I have been answering questions on Iran with everyone saying to me, ‘Tell us you are not going to do anything about Iran’. If they carry on like this the question people will be asking is, ‘When are you going to something about it?’ “
Iran’s remarks open up all sorts of cans of worms. In the first place, it reminds us that Israel has, for decades, lived in a neighbourhood which contains countries whose greatest desire is to see it eliminated completely. If you can imagine what it is like to live with that hanging over your head - and, I might add, with mini-July 7ths happening here and there, year in, year out (5 killed, 28 wounded Wednesday in the town of Hadera) - it may well add a layer of understanding to Israel’s sometimes apparently harsh treatment of Palestinian terrorism.
Furthermore - and more ominously - this open call for genocide has been made by a country that is probably in the process of creating the means to enact that genocide. It is now impossible, I feel, for the international community to simply stand by and allow that country to continue its nuclear activity. If you doubt this then run this sentence through your mind a couple of times: “We must wipe [insert your country’s name here] off the face of the planet!” and then ask yourself what you might like to do with Iran’s nuclear project.
Then we have a situation where one UN member state is calling for the eradication of another. This requires a bit more than words of condemnation followed by business as usual. If the UN is to do anything at all to rebuild some of its rapidly depleting credibility, Iran’s removal from the UN must be seriously debated now. And if the UN is reluctant to remove it then it should explain clearly why not. The case for removal has already been eloquently made by Iran itself.
I understand the need to tread carefully and avoid doing anything that might worsen an already deteriorating situation. Shaking big sticks at someone you don’t like isn’t always the answer - however much the war-mongers in our countries might desire it. But the stakes in this game are very high - and not only for Israel. An emboldened and armed Islamic state isn’t a source of comfort for any of us; the possible exporting of its nuclear technology to other states could very well be lethal for us.
Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction. Iran may well be obtaining them. If things continue in this vein the west might have more trouble justifying not attacking Iran than they’ve had in actually attacking Iraq.
Gary:
Worrying words indeed when taken in conjunction with Iran’s push to recommence uranium enrichment. However Iran maybe an even-more difficult ‘nut to crack’ than Iraq. Iran comprises the eastern border of the Straits of Hormuz which, according to the DoE, is “…By far the world’s most important oil chokepoint” with daily oil flows of 15–15.5 million bbl. I expect any armed intervention aimed at Iran would lead to Iran trying to close the Straits of Hormuz, using mines, blockships and/or missiles (possibly the Sunburn). Loss of such oil exports from the Persian Gulf would have significant economic and social effects. I’m not sure the Western European/American navies could keep the Straits open.
Comment by Thersites — October 28, 2005 @ 3:36 pm
Interesting stuff, Thersites. Perhaps we should start stockpiling now then?
Comment by Gary Monro — October 28, 2005 @ 4:31 pm
Gary, you describe the feeble Palestinian attempts to defend their land and property as “terrorism” and appear to ignore the violent and illegal invasion of Palestine by the “Chosen People”. The “Jewish” state of Israel is a completely artificial construct forged by theft and murderous terror which goes on this very day still. Homes are bulldozed and land confiscated from the Palestinian people and when they fight back this is declared as an atrocity but countless UN resolutions that draw attention to this activity by Israel are ignored.
Gary, are you now supporting the invasion of Iran and the millions of lives destroyed that that would likely involve.
Blair is a hypocrite to point blame at Iranian statements while he murderers his away around Iraq on the pretext of lies and fantasies at the behest of oil barons and industrialist interest.
Gary, do you support the Zionist ideology?
It is an essential attitude for success in politics, that is for certain.
Comment by Christopher Brooks — October 28, 2005 @ 5:25 pm
Christopher Brooks - the tone and content of your post above make it very clear that you haven’t read any serious argument in favour of the State of Israel and that you have accepted the Palestinian version of events completely uncritically. I promise you, it doesn’t hold up to careful scrutiny.
Comment by robert aldridge — November 3, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
Robert, my reading of the realities leads me to believe the whole “chosen people” theme is a propaganda myth. Not unlike the “credit creation” scam.
The political state of Israel has been forged as an essential political strategy to assist and mask the policy of monopoly world wide.
“Jews” are prominent and very powerful in finance and politics and find the “Auschwitz” and other persecution legends useful armour to mask their crimes against the justice and freedom of those they exploit.
The claimed “gas chambers” and millions of “Jews” exterminated are successful propaganda strategies that distract from the activities of those who dream of Globalist empires.
The whole “suicide” bomber theme is so convenient and serving of the Israeli policies it is hard not to question just who designed and sustains this phenomena.
It certainly does not benefit the Palestinian cause.
Surely you do not support the constant annexation of Palestinian land and property by bulldozing homes along with the prison camp control over the occupied territories.
Comment by Christopher Brooks — November 4, 2005 @ 7:46 pm
Mr Brooks,
To clarify: you don’t believe that millions of Jews were exterminated by the Nazis? How many does your reading indicate were?
Are Jews ‘exploiting’ the Palestinians only or do you believe they’re having a go at the rest of us too?
Is there a worldwide Jewish conspiracy?
Comment by Gary Monro — November 4, 2005 @ 10:01 pm
The camps were all either part of a labour program to drive the industrial wheels of Germany or stepping stones in transporting “Jews” to Israel. Though not often stated the Zionist movement worked closely with Germany seeing the opportunities to establish their political “Nation”.
The post war trials were a lynching project to establish the gravy train of reparations from Germany to assist the Israel project.
The “gas chambers” were the WMD lies of the era.
Hollywood mostly created the modern perception of the “Holocaust” and I am sure you are aware it is mostly owned and controlled by “Jews” as is the world media.
If you do not know this you know nothing of the world. No one dares speak against this influence.
Like all historical questions the exact numbers of “Jews” that perished in the brutal final chaos of the war, by starvation and disease, will always be debated but undoubtedly many tens of thousands did die. Many, many thousands died after the camps were managed by the allies
The question is vast and complex because many of the camps fell into the Soviet territories after the war.
The “gas chamber” exhibit at Auschwitz has been exposed as a post war construction by the Soviets to deflect attention from their crimes.
The internet is full of resources to study all of these questions.
Many are in jail because they speak the truth and publish critical opinions against the orthodox “Holohoax” story.
When did genuine truth ever have to be protected by the force of the state.
I hardly make any secret that conspiracy is the principle currency of power. Political parties are conspiracies against the freedom of the community to live as they see fit.
The “credit creation” policy of central banking is a conspiracy against truth and creation.
Manufactured terror is a conspiracy to erode our common law rights. Al Qaeda does not exist beyond the activities of intelligence agencies.
Where does the “Jewish” phenomena and the “land for the chosen people racket” fit into the big picture?
They are all strategies of power, part of the drive towards global “Pharisaism”.
The High Priest mentality of elitism is mirrored in the Globalisation of our lives delivering growing power and wealth to the select by concentrating the control over human affairs.
Nation states are being rendered impotent.
Unelected finance/corporate/industrial conspiracies are designing a global society to serve their will to ever increasing power.
Those responsible believe this their natural right.
This design does not progress without resistance
because the Big Idea is unnatural and destructive for the majority.
The concentration of power is always masked as “progress” and “rationalisation” or a “war for freedom and democracy” when the agenda is in fact monopoly and profit for a few who insanely wish to possess the whole world.
Jesus confronted the “Money Changers” with a whip. Money “creation” manipulation is the central plank of power today and always.
The “Jewish” issues are tricky because mostly they involve absurdities. What does it mean to be “Jewish”. I do not pretend to know?
Many “Jews” claim to be atheists!
Most “Jews” have no historical connection to the land and people of ancient Judah.
To be a “Jew” has nothing to do with race or religion. It is almost a self designation.
Judaism is a subterfuge to advance a political agenda.
There is also the growing Christian-Zionist influence that is focusing the Christian church towards the agenda of Israel.
Many of these issues are couched in emotion and zeal beyond any rational or logical conversation.
For my part people can believe what they like, but when laws and policies are proposed based on mythology and propaganda then I always speak out.
Most people have so little interest in properly researching these issues it is mostly a futile effort but it allows me to sleep at night and look my children squarely in the eye when I demand they seek real knowledge on all issues.
Comment by Christopher Brooks — November 5, 2005 @ 6:32 am
The “gas chambers” were the WMD lies of the era.
All those canisters with “Gift” on them were simply there because the Germans wanted to buy the Jews a present.
The crematoria were only there to keep people warm.
All of the witnesses dreamt it.
Hollywood mostly created the modern perception of the “Holocaust” and I am sure you are aware it is mostly owned and controlled by “Jews” as is the world media.
Which is why it also faked the moon landing, JFK’s shooting, and the death of Elvis.
Comment by Frank O'Dwyer — November 5, 2005 @ 9:16 am
The Crematoria were as can be found in most towns throughout the community, for dispossessing of the dead. The death rate was certainly high at times due to disease outbreaks.
All this is heavily documented. The water table in the area was high so burying bodies in the conventional sense was seen as dangerous due to the disease problems. Typhus was the biggest problem. The camps had populations up to 130,000 which is equivalent to a medium size city.
Check the crematoria ratio in the current demographics!
Zyclon B was the standard fumigant employed at that time and was systematically employed to fumigate buildings and clothes in the work camp facilities. All extensively supported by documentation. Small chambers are to be found at these camps still today that include all the ventilator and exhausting equipment but no claim is made that these were “Gas Chambers” for exterminating “Jews”. The orders, accounts, design and construction of these facilities are all in the historical record.
Pictures of the air tight doors on these facilities are in the early “Gas Chamber” literature. These have all been dealt with in court rooms at the Ernst Zundel and Irving trials.
I believe transcripts are on the internet.
“Witnesses” to such “gassing” events that you believe occurred are not plentiful as you might imagine.
Those brought before courts often were exposed as only hearing rumours or presumed the films to be correct but in fact never saw anything themselves.
There is much research available on the issue.
Many of the “i was there accounts” have been exposed as frauds by people who were never even in that part of the world at the time.
It is a very lucrative industry and the media and the establishment give great encouragement to “survivor” propaganda.
There are many many millions of “survivors” around the world on the various gravy trains of income all based on the Hollywood legend.
They are not going to bite the gift horse and tell the truth.
The whole question is a complex psychological phenomena because all these people have lived with a massive collective lie all their lives warping their emotions and character. They have transferred the whole caper to their children in many cases.
Frank I have often had to deal with disbelief over the last twenty odd years that I have been aware of the facts.
I know I will convince you of nothing.
You will only learn the power of propaganda if you do a serious study of this subject taking account of all the literature and documents that are available to all.
I have even had local teachers remove books from the school literary list after they took my challenge and did there own investigation of the facts.
Over the last twenty years I have achieved a steady stream of people who take the time to investigate for themselves what the factual record really does say.
They mostly, like yourself, thought I was mad at the outset. I certainly understand why!
The only real issue is what is the truth?
I did my research, the “gas chambers” are a hoax.
Comment by Christopher Brooks — November 5, 2005 @ 7:04 pm
Frank, this pictorial is an interesting overview of Auschwitz that draws attention to many of the propaganda issues.
I am not certain who is responsible for this site but they do have a clearer knowledge of political realities than most.
Extensive study elsewhere will confirm this overall view of the camp realities.
http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm
Comment by Christopher Brooks — November 5, 2005 @ 8:54 pm
Jesus a revisionist. Oh well, I guess free speech allows Nazis too.
Comment by DE — November 6, 2005 @ 3:36 am
Ah, the tired old “Nazi” smear.
The standard answer to uncomfortable historical realities.
I guess I would be surprised if any intellectual response emerged on these issues.
Why no comment on the reference I presented.
It hardly accords with the legend of Auschwitz.
Which aspect of this pictorial do you suggest can be proven false?
How did millions escape to claim reparations?
Do you know the lamp shades made from human skin and soap manufactured from human fat have been dismissed by all historians as lies yet you will still regularly read of these absurdities in your media and Holocaust museums have exhibits.
The Melbourne Holocaust centre claims large numbers of Jews were exterminated by electrocution in specially made baths. This material is given to thousands of students every year that file in for their dose of propaganda.
No historian claims this as factual.
Why do revisionist historians have laws passed to make it a crime to question history?
Do you know many are in jail as I write because they dared challenge the sacred mantra.
Doesn’t this ring alarm bells for a thinking person.
Can you think of any other historical theme that is protected from critical examination by the force of law?
There is no hint of an extermination policy in the historical record unless you begin to interpret everything as a code.
It is true the German Government were keen to have the “Jews” emigrate because of their conspiracy behaviour in business and politics that had rendered Germany a basket case before Adolf Hitler came to power.
At first the “Jews” believed Hitler might be their man to progress the policy of monopoly but he was fiercely nationalistic which made him the enemy of the Globalist dreamers. He also began issuing money on the assets of Germany which allowed Germany to rapidly advance when the rest of the world still lay bogged in the depression which was simply the massive contraction of the global money supply.
Politicians around the world were becoming greatly interested in why Germany was an industrial juggernaut and autobahns were spreading across the German country side while Britain and other countries remained stagnant.
Hitler understood money and how it really works.
This knowledge had to be buried forever behind the Auschwitz hoax so people like DE would make banal and meaningless slurs like “Nazi” whenever the real history was discussed.
Hitlers tyranny went the way of all dictatorships. It self destructed in it’s own corruption but there are many aspects of what actually happened in Germany under the rule of Hitler that inform us today about the power of credit when released from the control of the Global Central Bankers.
Germany only had 40 odd million people and it almost defeated the rest of the world.
It achieved this amazing feat because money became the servant of the economic potential of the German people - not the dictator of scarcity and unemployment as Conservative party policy in Britain proposes along with the Labour policy which is identical.
The Auschwitz lie is the strategy to protect the economic policies of the German miracle, make no mistake it was a miracle, and widely reported around the world at the time as such.
The whole subject has been presented with such exaggeration, lies and emotion it is certainly difficult to make any progress in a reasoned manner.
I must admit I find it a great fascination to observe ignorance in people who actually believe they understand reality. I understand why DE thinks as he does but I also know if mankind is not released from the madness of the policy of monopoly another world war is probable as a last resort to organise a disintegrating globalist Utopian dream. I would like to avoid this.
It always bewilders me why people like DE choose to smear instead of study. This is the Pavlovian success of a life of propaganda.
I choose research every time, even when I am confronted with what may at first appear absurd. Because of my lifetime study and interest in the power of propaganda on us all and the devilishly tricky strategies of power I know I could easily be fed a pup by the media.
Comment by Christopher Brooks — November 6, 2005 @ 8:03 am