Comments on: Dutch have it in for the burka http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/ Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:24:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Nuke Labour http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-17304 Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:26:51 +0000 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-17304 ... you said. We should consider such a ban, but only after reviewing copious volumes of photographic evidence clearly illustrating the problem. … you said.

We should consider such a ban, but only after reviewing copious volumes of photographic evidence clearly illustrating the problem.

]]> by: Nuke Labour http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-17303 Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:24:46 +0000 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-17303 &gt; If we’re to ban the burka I’d first like to ban the wearing of jeans that ride half-way down their chav owner’s arses to reveal their tacky Anne Summers thongs… <i></i> > If we’re to ban the burka I’d first like to ban the wearing of jeans that ride half-way down their chav owner’s arses to reveal their tacky Anne Summers thongs…

]]> by: robert aldridge http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-10363 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:07:00 +0100 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-10363 I take your point - but no-one knows how people will react; some will be consigned to stay at home, others will be allowed out with a head scarf - after all, there is no Koranic injuction to wear the burka; thus the burka people will be split between the scarfites and the domestic prisoners. The latter would be seen even more clearly as a crime, and greater legal pressure could be put on those families. I agree this is all speculation; and I agree that the whole issue is fraught with difficulty; to change any entrenched cultural habit is extremely difficult. Normally I would say that it was not justified; But I'm afraid that I regard the burka as appalling. Perhaps it will just fade out over time; but given the social isolation, the ghetto mentality,and ultra conservativism of many Muslim families, I think that it could take generations; and I think that that is unacceptable in our society. As for the other social practices mentioned - let us take one thing at a time! I take your point - but no-one knows how people will react; some will be consigned to stay at home, others will be allowed out with a head scarf - after all, there is no Koranic injuction to wear the burka; thus the burka people will be split between the scarfites and the domestic prisoners. The latter would be seen even more clearly as a crime, and greater legal pressure could be put on those families. I agree this is all speculation; and I agree that the whole issue is fraught with difficulty; to change any entrenched cultural habit is extremely difficult. Normally I would say that it was not justified; But I’m afraid that I regard the burka as appalling. Perhaps it will just fade out over time; but given the social isolation, the ghetto mentality,and ultra conservativism of many Muslim families, I think that it could take generations; and I think that that is unacceptable in our society. As for the other social practices mentioned - let us take one thing at a time!

]]> by: Gary Monro http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-10362 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:15:41 +0100 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-10362 Gaffa, if you can't see their face they have anonymity. So stick a male terrorist in a burka and he can get away with, well, murder, basically. Robert, The danger is that banning the burka won't alter any of the things you consider it stands for but it willalmost certainly consign hundreds of Muslim women to permanent house arrest when their husbands ban them from going out. DE, Not sure what the Qur'an says about shaking hands but I do know that it is not acceptable to more hardline Muslims. I once went to shake hands with a Muslim and he simply pressed his wrist against my hand. Awkward and discourteous. Something I'm supposed to tolerate I guess. Gaffa, if you can’t see their face they have anonymity. So stick a male terrorist in a burka and he can get away with, well, murder, basically.

Robert,

The danger is that banning the burka won’t alter any of the things you consider it stands for but it willalmost certainly consign hundreds of Muslim women to permanent house arrest when their husbands ban them from going out.

DE,

Not sure what the Qur’an says about shaking hands but I do know that it is not acceptable to more hardline Muslims. I once went to shake hands with a Muslim and he simply pressed his wrist against my hand. Awkward and discourteous. Something I’m supposed to tolerate I guess.

]]> by: DE http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-10361 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:23:57 +0100 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-10361 That bit in the Koran where it says that men should not shake hands with women: Oh I lied. There isn't one. That bit in the Koran where it says that men should not shake hands with women:

Oh I lied. There isn’t one.

]]> by: robert aldridge http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-9952 Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:19:09 +0100 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-9952 I find it interesting that countries like Afghanistan are trying desperately to get rid of the burka; countries like Turkey are proud of Kemal Ataturk for abolishing the burka; yet here in England we want to tolerate something that stands as an affront and defiance of much of what we as a nation have painfully evolved over the centuries. There is nothing to be said for it, and everything to be said against it. If we tolerate that, we tolerate all that it stands for - child marriage, arranged marriage, domestic seclusion, patriarchy, and all the rest of it. We may not be able to do much about these things, because they are done behind closed cultural doors; but we can jolly well not permit its public manifestation. The burka is a crime. It should not be tolerted in this society. I find it interesting that countries like Afghanistan are trying desperately to get rid of the burka; countries like Turkey are proud of Kemal Ataturk for abolishing the burka; yet here in England we want to tolerate something that stands as an affront and defiance of much of what we as a nation have painfully evolved over the centuries. There is nothing to be said for it, and everything to be said against it. If we tolerate that, we tolerate all that it stands for - child marriage, arranged marriage, domestic seclusion, patriarchy, and all the rest of it. We may not be able to do much about these things, because they are done behind closed cultural doors; but we can jolly well not permit its public manifestation. The burka is a crime. It should not be tolerted in this society.

]]> by: GaffaUK http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-9925 Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:27:43 +0100 http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/10/14/dutch-have-it-in-for-the-burka/#comment-9925 lol how is wearing a burka in a public - like a shop or a cinema a threat to public safety? Nice to see the Italians using an old fascist law introduced by Mussolini to help race relations. Maybe those who wear the burka should be frog-marched and enrolled in Women's Studies course at universities around the country - where they can be forced to read feminist texts until they are suitably enraged enough to burn their burkas along with their bras. Trouble is you'll then have feminist lefties - so you'll then have to make them read the dire Daily Mail for a year until they are properly assimilated. As far as I'm concerned with the Burka - employers and schools should be able to set their own dress code within reason - however outside of that I don't see why then can't wear the burka anywhere they like. lol how is wearing a burka in a public - like a shop or a cinema a threat to public safety?

Nice to see the Italians using an old fascist law introduced by Mussolini to help race relations.

Maybe those who wear the burka should be frog-marched and enrolled in Women’s Studies course at universities around the country - where they can be forced to read feminist texts until they are suitably enraged enough to burn their burkas along with their bras. Trouble is you’ll then have feminist lefties - so you’ll then have to make them read the dire Daily Mail for a year until they are properly assimilated.

As far as I’m concerned with the Burka - employers and schools should be able to set their own dress code within reason - however outside of that I don’t see why then can’t wear the burka anywhere they like.

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